Family Tree

History of the Surname

McCotter Surname Reports

McGings DNA Cousins?

 

Search This Site

Have You Done a DNA Test?

Two things

 

First, Iím going to ask everyone who has an interest in this genealogy who has had a DNA test to please consider putting you test results online at gedmatch.com.Itís free and helps research tremendously.

 

Briefly, each of the testing companies gives you results, but only with people who have tested with them.There are 4 or more major DNA testing companies, but if someone tests at company A but you tested at company F, you wonít know about that possible match.What Gedmatch does is provide a place where people pool their test results across these companies, all in one common pool.And it has a bunch of free (and paid) tools if you are interested in getting deeper into this.

 

But the more people put their data there, the better we can figure out the dna linkages, which for Irish genealogy, is important due to the poor paper records.So I ask anyone who has tested, even if you didnít put a family tree on Ancestry, for example, to put the data on Gedmatch and triple the number of people who can match against you.The Gedmatch IDs of my family are listed below.

 

And second, please check out if you are an X-match or not on your test. If you are, look at my page on X-Matches.

 

What's New!

Oct 2018 Ė If anyone knows someone who could help me redo this website in a way that lets me update it easily, let me know. It is really showing its age. There are nooks and crannies that have decent data that are hard to find. Iím just too old for relearning the modern tools of website building when Iíve other things I want to do instead. And I do own my own website name and host the site on my own.

No research breakthroughs but the new DNA Painter is to me vital to figure out those links that you donít know what family line to try and research. The Ancestry rejigger of the ethnicity finally matches what my paper research shows to be true.

 

Sept 2018 Ė So itís been a while, no major break throughs, no distant family lines have done DNA tests, lots of incremental records updating, tweaking some lines by fleshing out family files.Iíve a few long term conversations going on with Joyce connections.Clearly have Joyce relations just donít know how they are related.

 

 

April 2018 Ė Incremental work progressing. Fixing the web pages, updating as I find things. Trying to better document things and clean up my records and files. Iím hoping that folks who match me on my momís side can help me start to figure out that family tree, since the family doesnít know that much. I remain scratching my head over the way folks in my family tree had intermarried, as I hunt at least one and likely 2 ancestors who are common to both my mom and dad.

 

 

March 2018 Ė Iím liking the new RootsFinder tool.Especially the DNA visualization tools.It helps that folks have been putting stuff into Gedmatch.The more folks who match on Ancestry or 23andme who put their data on Gedmatch, the more connections we can find and the better it is to look at specific chromosomes. Thatís how we eliminate wrong family paths and save time. I urge everyone to add stuff to Gedmatch.It'll pay off.

 

On FTDNA I find a woman in Sweden who is connected strongly to my momís sister Mary. But this Swedish lady is someone whose family roots there is for hundreds of years.  But it seems someone from her family must have visited Ireland or England because some of her family DNA is in Mary as a reasonably close cousin (but not her sister Nora).Hoping she answers my emails soon.

 

Had the same thing with dad on MyHeritage. A family hundreds of years in Norway has a reasonably close connection to dad.  And neither of these cousin connections is from the Vikings, it's from the last 150 years or so.

 

And because people test, I have just found that my momís family has a DNA connection to my great great grandparents on my dadís side, the Morrins/Flanagans. No paper, but multiple connections via DNA to documented (and tested) cousins is hard to beat.

 

Lastly, the McGing who took the Y DNA test and helped prove that we have a common ancestor (see elsewhere on this page) did an autosomal test and that test shows us as 3rd cousins.Normally thatís be great news but this personís mom and dad were both McGings, his mom from a known line and his dad from a not yet connected line. So the autosomal test confirms the one known linkage and the Y DNA confirms the non-documented line through his dad. Big smiles all around.

 

January 2018 Ė I had some fun that Iíd like to share.I thought Iíd look at the given names of McGings.The reason is that some names run in families, esp 100 years ago, so they are both interesting and a clue.So using my genealogy database, which likely doesnít have every McGing in the world, esp young families and some I know Iím missing in Australia, I analyzed the data I do have.So here are some fun facts:

 

       I have 78 McGings where I have no clue about their given name

       I have 2244 McGings where I do have a given name.

 

So, of those 2244, what are the most frequent names?I decided that anyone with a middle name (John Joseph McGing) would be counted as a John.Spelling variants like Catherine, Kathleen are left alone.

 

Top 10 for men and women are:

 

John

191

Mary

217

Patrick

178

Bridget

114

Michael

143

Catherine

71

James

133

Margaret

66

Thomas

106

Ann

45

Austin

67

Anne

39

Martin

39

Sarah

26

Philip

38

Elizabeth

17

Peter

21

Julia

17

William

21

Nora

15

 

937

 

627

 

So, of the 2244 names, the top 10 for men and women account for 1,564 or about 70% of the names used. The remaining 30% is made up of 296 unique names, of which 178 are single time names, 58 are names only used 2 times, 14 are names used 3x, 14 are used 4x, 8 used 5x, 3 used 6x, 5 used 7x,1 used 8x, 1 used 9x, 1 used 11x, 1 used 12x, 3 used 13x, 2 used 14x, 1 used 15x, 2 used 16x, 2 used 17x, and 1 used 19x.††

 

Names often run in families, such as Penelope is unique to my family, Daniel runs in another family group, Anthony seems to do so as well. And Philip is limited to a group of families in a smaller area.(speaking only of pre-1950 usage, names loosened up after that date.)

 

December 2017 - Rootsweb has free hosting but itís having issues so I moved my site to a private hosting service.If you find links that donít work, let me know. Iíve been hunting them down.I apologize for the 2001 look and feel but I simply donít have a visual brain and fancy web tools donít make sense to me.And they all cost a boatload of money! But to make family tree checking easier Iíve used a tool called Gedsite to build a subsite that has the family tree in it and itís more up to date than other online trees Ancestry etc.So check it out - Family Tree Version 2.Itís really pretty good.

 

But on a recap note, while progress on me has been slow but steady, my wife has actually found a half-sister and pushed her ancestry back a ton.Sheís eligible for DAR at least 2 if not 3 ways and she went from thinking she had little family to finding out about tons of folks related to her.Her data is online in the tree here to help that research.

 

For me, DNA genealogy is more complicated than it should be as I am still pulling my hair over the endogamy of Mayo.Cousins marrying cousins marrying cousins and when there are records, everyone uses the same 5 first names.Folks marrying neighbors with the same surnames.Sigh.And donít get me started about Joyces Ė they are like rabbits and seemingly only find love with other Joyces!

 

July 2017 ĖAdded a new page on ethnicity estimates.Itís interesting stuff.Check out ethnicity estimates page.

 

June 2017 - Just a brief update. No big breakthroughs. Still looking for McGing males to consider the Y-DNA test and anyone from a McGing related family of any form to take one of the many autosomal DNA tests (Ancestry DNA, Family Tree DNA, My Heritage, even 23andMe are the big ones available) to see if we are related.Given poor records and families that donít remember where they came from, DNA is often the only way to show relatedness. It is interesting that this does lead to interesting outcomes. There is a McGing family that I am related to not but through McGings (that I can tell so far). Seems a person that is an ancestor on my motherís (Collins) side had a Duffy relation that married into this (unrelated) McGing family and that is how I am connected to them.I still think we share some common Gr times 7 grandfather but until thenÖ.

 

January 2017 Ė No major breakthroughs but slowly finding cousins who actually have family trees that may mean we can actually figure things out. Not a knock on those just starting out, but itís frustrating to find likely 3rd cousins who have zero idea about their family and expect me to know. I wish I did, but Iím looking just as hard as everyone else.There is no substitute for doing ďtraditionalĒ genealogy, DNA just is a tool.Keep in mind, when it says we are 4th or greater cousins the amazing number of people that we have to consider as our common ancestor.

 

You have 64 great-great-great-great-grandparents.

Generation

# You Have

Who

Approximate Percentage of Their DNA That You Have Today

1

You

100%

1

2

Parents

50%

2

4

Grandparents

25%

3

8

Great-grandparents

12.5%

4

16

Great-great-grandparents

6.25%

5

32

Great-great-great-grandparents

3.12%

6

64

Great-great-great-great-grandparents

1.56%

 

Each of those GGGG-grandparents contributed 1.56% of your DNA, roughly.

 

YEAR

 

NUMBER 

PERCENTAGE 

 

OF YOUR 

OF DNA AND SAME 

 

ANCESTORS

SURNAME

Birth Year

1950

 

 

1 generation back: 

Parents

1925

2

50.00%

2 generations back: 

Grandparents

1900

4

25.00%

3 generations back: 

Great-grandparents

1875

8

12.50%

4 generations back

Great-great grandparents

1850

16

6.25%

5 generations back:

Great-great-great grandparents

1825

32

3.13%

6 generations back

Great-great-great-great grandparents

1800

64

1.56%

 

So given the records of Co Mayo are sketchy prior to 1850, I have a whole lot of cousins at 4th and 5th and greater who will likely never be documented because the records are simply not there, unless the family has already done their family trees and written down their family stories.

 

Thatís the reality of it.I want to try and find a link with anyone who has the interest, but have to stay real that itís not likely for a lot of us.

 

 

Past Changes†† ÁThere is a LOT of information on this page; itís been moved from this page to keep it from getting too big.I recommend you do check this out.Itís full of the odd bits and piece.

 

Why this Page?

Thanks for stopping by! I figure 99% of the people stopping by will be bored silly, because this really is a trivial page but.....

I'm on Facebook and LinkedIn so no longer have a general web page. This particular page is neat because I bought the McGing.org domain name and that's cool, at least to me.  So this page is being set up to be a McGing magnet and maybe a few other things.  I do have an obligatory picture of me here (it's pretty recent but could take a bit to view on a slow connection).

Iíve been doing my family history since 1985 and this web page first went up in the late 1990s.(I know, it looks it.)So while some of the questions I asked have been fully or partially answered, Iíve kept this page largely untouched because it reminds me of just how much work and time has been spent on this.

In 1985, I was thinking that anyone with a name as rare as McGing would find that most of the McGingís he runs into are related in some way.  But until recently, Iíd have been wrong.Until recently, all the ones who track me down are not related (based on making your typical family tree and linking up with records.)   So many families, yet so many saying ďNope, not a relation.ĒGo figure!So what started out as a effort to document my family turned into an effort to document the McGings of the world with a view to proving or disproving that we are indeed actual cousins.

And what has changed since 1985 is DNA testing. Which supports the hypothesis of all being related even when the records donít exist to make the link.

So this is a McGing magnet page.  If you are a McGing, or used to be one or have a relation who was or is one, drop me a line or sign my guestbook below and we'll see if we can find out just where we all come from. If I get any responses, I can publish whatever people contribute and share various tidbits.

Who am I?

My name is John McGing and my immediate ancestry is as follows:

Mother was Sarah Collins, born in Shanvallycahill, in the Cappaghaduff district, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo. Her father was John Collins of Shanvallycahill, her mother was Bridgit Conoboy. She came from a large family, some of whom are still in Tourmakeady, while the rest went to England or to the US, mainly in Chicago, Il.

Father is John McGing, born in Churchfield, in the Cappaghaduff district, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo.  His father was Thomas McGing of Churchfield, his mother was Bridget Donoghue. He also came from a large family, all of whom live in the States, again mainly in Chicago, except for one sister who lives in Dublin and one in Tourmakeady.

Both are from places right on Loch Mask.

(Here's a small map of Mayo) We're from around Tourmakeady, which you can see is on the shores of Loch Mask in South Mayo. Here is a much larger, older map of Mayo, circa 1890's  Surprisingly, the home place, in Churchfield, was in Galway, until it was given to Mayo in a border change in 1898 - 1899.(meaning people need to check both Galway and Mayo recordsÖ)

My fatherís people were originally from a townland called Arderry, as Great Great Grandfather Patrick is found in the 1818 rent rolls of Lord Sligo as a renter there, along with a Bryan McGing who I believe is likely a brother.

I love both sides of my family, but my dadís side remembered more of their history than my momís.Itís a common situation, where the family honestly doesnít know much about their ancestors, and the stories either werenít told or never shared.Thatís my issue on the Collinís side. No real information about Great grandfather or further back.So itís not with any ill intent I donít have more on my maternal side, itís simply I cannot find much.But I am always looking and want to flesh out that part of the tree.†† However, it does seem that we have a boatload of Joyces on both paternal and maternal sides.

 

 

DNA Overview

You should also check out my Are McGings All Related?It Seems Likely! page.

 

GEDMATCH Numbers

DNA Tests taken

mtDNA Haplogroup (Maternal) T1a1

 

Also on MyHeritage, which is doing DNA matching as well.

 

I also have data at MyHeritage.com, and at Geni and at Wikitree which is cool because it looks across other people's data for likely matches but my tree data is rarely updated there, as I instead put it into Legacy Family Tree and then on Rootsweb, but it's a good place to do your genealogy. And they are getting smarter, doing a lot of the grunt work for you.

IMPORTANT!

I have found that my Irish research tapers out at 2rd great grandparents, beyond that is lore, assumption and conjecture. That means cousins 4th or higher have to have better data than I do or have done some research themselves. I share with anyone but if DNA testing says we are 4th or 5th cousins, unless you have some records research of your own, it's very unlikely that I have anything either. Just saying up front.Please do check out my family tree, look for connections, but just donít be surprised if I donít have them already.

My ancestors by generation:

Right click and open in another tab to see a larger and more readable version..

  

 

Surname/GEDCOM/Family Tree Data

McGing.Did the Chinese meet a Scotsman?Sorry, but have heard it a lot.Itís an unusual name and the history of the surname is interesting. And if you are really interested in what I've found, I'm making available a redacted version of the genealogical data I've gathered. Write me if you'd like to discuss getting access to this information. Due to concerns about privacy, I ask you write so we can discuss what you're looking for.

Understand, the data is always being changed and there are always mistakes and misunderstandings. I've named people odd names because I know a first name only, or a last name only or I only know they had 11 kids, 6 boys and 5 girls, things like that. This data has been secured from searching the internet, especially genealogical sites, contacts with other McGings, the sharing of data by others who have done their own research (and to whom we are all indebted) and searches of things like the LDS files. Where possible it is sourced, but see my note at the bottom of this page. I believe that we are indeed likely all to be cousins but it is only documented via DNA.

In addition, I've found a LOT of information in places that you'd not expect, and in order to preserve it, I've put it into an Adobe Acrobat file that you can find here. I've also listed some things I just didn't know where to put, so they are listed there. It's worth checking.

Iíve since created an offline datastore of pictures and pdf files of things like census, birth records, military records and more. Itís simply too large to put online, as the size would incur costs. But my point is I do have a lot of McGing documents identified and stored.If you are serious, please email me and I can make these available to you.

 

 

Who Are These People?

When I was in Ireland, I found a whole nest of McGingís in Westport, but it seems the connection with them was distant, if at all. It was kind of disconcerting to get a calendar from John McGing's place, which was a service station, as I recall. (Which is odd, come to think of it.  The name is exceedingly rare, yet 2 groups of families with the same rare surname grow up near each other yet aren't related?  What's up with that?)

Same applies in the States.  My dad was confused with another John McGing who was in the Army at the same time he was, and they ended up living not far from each other on Chicago's NorthWest side.  The other family even had a number of kids with the same names as my siblings.  Yet we also never met. There's a boatload of McGingís in and around Chicago, but the majority of them are not related to my side of the family. [I do have to say that I have now actually corresponded with some of those "other" McGingís and it's neat to finally do so!]

And the Cleveland Ohio McGingís all seem to be related to the Westport McGingís, but not to me (they say).  The Cincinnati Ohio McGingís are related (1st cousins). Check out my cousin's website. The ones in Florida seem to be Cleveland McGingís who have gone south. Then there is the odd one or two living in NY, Virginia, places like that that no one can seem to place. My mother told me we have McGing related cousins in Montana, they use McGinn. Color me confused.And I found McGinn cousins (via DNA) just outside Philadelphia. (But again, the name McGing in English does translate to McGinn, so such usage isnít unexpected.In fact, I say with authority if you are a McGinn with Co Mayo roots, you are a McGing originally.

And what's with this Scottish connection anyway?  There are McGingís in Scotland, it seems we went there to work the fields, but why Stirling Scotland and why stay? What was so much better there that kept some McGingís from returning to Ireland?(Seems the Irish were migrant labor for Scottish farms, the folks traveled to where the work was.)

Gerry McGing from Trim sent some very interesting information that I have made available here. We may now have a lead on where in the North to look for more McGing roots! It looks like they emigrated from Armagh to Mayo. Or not, if what Paul MacCotter says is true. Obviously this needs more investigation. Does anyone have family stories about where their families came from?

I guess I see two areas where we could connect yet have difficulty. My Gr Gr Grandfather had to have siblings, yet I know nothing about him and his family. Could we be related through one of his brothers? Or could we be related through one of his sons? A couple of them had a LOT of boys, yet I've nothing on them. These seem to me to be the biggest area that would pay off in detecting this elusive family link.

One of the many bright spots in the family claim to fame is my 1st cousin is Mick Lally who was an Irish actor (played "Miley" on Glenroe on RTE, was a regular on "Ballykissangel," played in "Circle of Friends" as Minnie Drivers dad, and was in the great movie "The Secret of Roan Inish" as the grandfather)  His mom (RIP) is my dad's sister (May Lally, who was a great contributor to the Tourmakeady "Waterfall")  and before he died, he was a favorite at Maire Lukes. Another is the fact that my family has a history with Irish dance, in that my cousin Mary (already noted) and my cousin Jimmy (now a judge) taught/teach Irish dance. While Jimmy doesn't do it anymore, his ex-partner Mark Howard does.

My research has shown that the spelling of the name takes many forms; McGing, McGinn, McCinn, Ging, Ginn and other odd spellings. And the Gaelic is McGinn but the English is McGing, so the mixed use does make sense.

One other interesting fact is that if you put "McGing" into a search engine, you get a lot of hits. It used to be a toss-up between me and Dr. Brian McGing at Trinity as to whose name is found most often, but his references are starting to really mount up but the links for my cousin Mary, who owns an Irish dance school, have really started to overshadow us all!

Here is a link to my family tree material for your own research Version 2.

Besides my family, my other abiding interest is the rare genetic syndrome my son has. The section below explains a bit and links you to my pages about the syndrome. Perhaps one reason I've developed this abiding interest in where I have come from is knowing that my son will not have any children. My daughter will live her life and I don't mean to sound like I'm ignoring her; on the contrary, she's very precious to me. But I realize that my "line" is ending, at least as it goes forward carrying the McGing surname. But he's a great lad, and so I'd be neglectful if I didn't drop this in here.

Registry IconThe Chromosome 18 Registry and Research Society

This is a link to the Chromosome 18 Registry and Research Society. My son Sean has a genetic condition called tetrasomy 18p which is very rare. The Registry is a great support group and is an organization always looking for assistance. For anyone in the US who can contribute to the Combined Federal Campaign, look for them as a recipient group (#10291) or check them out and contact them directly.

In addition, if you are in the US and participate in the United Way, be aware that although the Registry isn't a direct participant in the UW, you can use the "Donor Direct" option to specify the Registry for your gift.

For anyone outside the US, please contact the Registry in San Antonio (using the links above).

Seriously, this isn't like Jerry's Kids or March of Dimes stuff, where there is a lot of publicity and people throw money at them. Nope, these conditions are rare and virtually unknown and there's been little research done on them. Please keep them in mind when considering any charitable contributions.

Links

Here are some interesting basic Irish links I've linked to.

Need to note that many of these things in the collections below pre-date what is now available online at Ancestry, MyHeritage, Findmypast and other similar genealogy sites.Seems the commercial companies caught up with me. And Iíve digitized many many records including many of these. So if you see something that interests or concerns you or whatever, let me know.

Historical and Genealogical Links

United States

Ireland

England

Scotland

Neal McGing - Revolutionary War

The Morrin/McGing Connection

English Vital Records (Birth)

Scottish McGings

McGing in 1850 US Census (Lines 30-32)

McGing, Gavin, Lally, Sheridan, Donoghue

English Vital Records (Death)

Scotish Census

McGing/McGinn 1860 in New York using US Census

Griffiths Valuation of Mayo McGings and McGinns

English Vital Records (Marriage)

Scottish Vital Records

US Census Reports/Extracts

Place Names Related to Family History

UK Census Extracts

 

Chicago Voter Rolls

Interesting Articles

Commonwealth War Graves

 

Ellis Island McGing Records Index

Westport Business Directory

 

Australia

Ellis Island McGinn Records Index

LDS Microfilm Transcriptions Film 0979697

 

McGings in Australia

Ellis Island McGing Details

May 1818 Marquis of Sligo Rent Rolls

Miscellaneous

 

McGing Social Security Death Index Reports

Aughagower Graves Data

History of the Surname

 

 

Irish Birth Registry Data

Surname Basics

 

 

Irish Vital Records Data

Odds and Ends

 

 

Additional Irish Records (Birth and Marriage)

Some McGing Photo's

 

 

1883 Census of Glenmask

Great Uncle Philip Found

 

 

McGing - O'Malley in Glenmask

McGings in Queen of Heaven Cemetery

 

 

McGing Records from Galway

Mayo Graveyard Photos

 

 

Tonlegee Land Records

Irish Naming Patterns

 

 

Bessborough Commission

McGings Ė Likely are Cousins

 

 

Mayo Galway Border Shift of 1898

 

 

 

1901 Irish Census Transcripts

 

 

 

1911 Irish Census Records

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sincere Thanks

I'd be remiss if I did not give full credit and approbation to the many people whose work has been so important in doing this research. I've been lucky to be able to build on the shoulders of many fine people whose hard work they willingly shared. There is Sr. Helen, Carl "MacMan", Mary Chervenak, Elaine O'Malley, Michael McGing, Pam Burg, Tom Kenny, Jackie Filippone, Nicola Batmaz, Mary Duffy, Jean Baun, Patrick Connolly, Jim McGinn and others. If you find anything of value in these pages, their contributions were indeed a major part of it.

And a special thanks to all of you who have done DNA tests because itís the only way to figure this stuff out J My sincere thanks.

Notice

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out what may or may not be obvious. And that is this: I am not a professional genealogist, and a lot of the material I have here has not been sourced to original documents. I have tried whenever possible to give a source, including family history, whenever I could, but as I've been told, your work isn't done until you have checked the original sources. That doesn't mean that everything here is worthless; that's certainly not true! Everything here is as accurate as I can make it, but things I typed in myself from sources may indeed have typos. Sources I link to may have errors. But that doesn't make their value any less, it just means you really need to check things out where possible using original source documents As I get a look at original documents myself I'll update entries to reflect that fact.

Let me know what you think. Your comments are welcome! Please consider signing my guestbook. View My Guestbook or Sign My Guestbook You can use this form to WRITE TO ME! or click the button below (can't say I don't try to make it easy!)

 

(c) 2018 All Rights reserved

   


Last updated Wednesday, March 19, 2018