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 January 2018 – I had some fun that I’d like to share.  I thought I’d look at the given names of McGings.  The reason is that some names run in families, esp 100 years ago, so they are both interesting and a clue.  So using my genealogy database, which likely doesn’t have every McGing in the world, esp young families and some I know I’m missing in Australia, I analyzed the data I do have.  So here are some fun facts:


·       I have 78 McGings where I have no clue about their given name

·       I have 2244 McGings where I do have a given name.


So, of those 2244, what are the most frequent names?  I decided that anyone with a middle name (John Joseph McGing) would be counted as a John.  Spelling variants like Catherine, Kathleen are left alone.


Top 10 for men and women are:















































So, of the 2244 names, the top 10 for men and women account for 1,564 or about 70% of the names used. The remaining 30% is made up of 296 unique names, of which 178 are single time names, 58 are names only used 2 times, 14 are names used 3x, 14 are used 4x, 8 used 5x, 3 used 6x, 5 used 7x,  1 used 8x, 1 used 9x, 1 used 11x, 1 used 12x, 3 used 13x, 2 used 14x, 1 used 15x, 2 used 16x, 2 used 17x, and 1 used 19x.  


Names often run in families, such as Penelope is unique to my family, Daniel runs in another family group, Anthony seems to do so as well. And Philip is limited to a group of families in a smaller area.  (speaking only of pre-1950 usage, names loosened up after that date.)


December 2017 -  Rootsweb has free hosting but it’s having issues so I moved my site to a private hosting service.  If you find links that don’t work, let me know. I’ve been hunting them down.  I apologize for the 2001 look and feel but I simply don’t have a visual brain and fancy web tools don’t make sense to me.  And they all cost a boatload of money! But to make family tree checking easier I’ve used a tool called Gedsite to build a subsite that has the family tree in it and it’s more up to date than other online trees Ancestry etc.  So check it out - Family Tree Version 2.  It’s really pretty good.


But on a recap note, while progress on me has been slow but steady, my wife has actually found a half-sister and pushed her ancestry back a ton.  She’s eligible for DAR at least 2 if not 3 ways and she went from thinking she had little family to finding out about tons of folks related to her.  Her data is online in the tree here to help that research.


For me, DNA genealogy is more complicated than it should be as I am still pulling my hair over the endogamy of Mayo.  Cousins marrying cousins marrying cousins and when there are records, everyone uses the same 5 first names.  Folks marrying neighbors with the same surnames.  Sigh.  And don’t get me started about Joyces – they are like rabbits and seemingly only find love with other Joyces!


July 2017 –  Added a new page on ethnicity estimates.  It’s interesting stuff.  Check out ethnicity estimates page.


June 2017 - Just a brief update. No big breakthroughs. Still looking for McGing males to consider the Y-DNA test and anyone from a McGing related family of any form to take one of the many autosomal DNA tests (Ancestry DNA, Family Tree DNA, My Heritage, even 23andMe are the big ones available) to see if we are related.  Given poor records and families that don’t remember where they came from, DNA is often the only way to show relatedness. It is interesting that this does lead to interesting outcomes.  There is a McGing family that I am related to not but through McGings (that I can tell so far). Seems a person that is an ancestor on my mother’s (Collins) side had a Duffy relation that married into this (unrelated) McGing family and that is how I am connected to them.  I still think we share some common Gr times 7 grandfather but until then….


January 2017 – No major breakthroughs but slowly finding cousins who actually have family trees that may mean we can actually figure things out. Not a knock on those just starting out, but it’s frustrating to find likely 3rd cousins who have zero idea about their family and expect me to know. I wish I did, but I’m looking just as hard as everyone else.  There is no substitute for doing “traditional” genealogy, DNA just is a tool.  Keep in mind, when it says we are 4th or greater cousins the amazing number of people that we have to consider as our common ancestor.


You have 64 great-great-great-great-grandparents.


# You Have


Approximate Percentage of Their DNA That You Have Today





























Each of those GGGG-grandparents contributed 1.56% of your DNA, roughly.












Birth Year




1 generation back: 





2 generations back: 





3 generations back: 





4 generations back

Great-great grandparents




5 generations back:

Great-great-great grandparents




6 generations back

Great-great-great-great grandparents





So given the records of Co Mayo are sketchy prior to 1850, I have a whole lot of cousins at 4th and 5th and greater who will likely never be documented because the records are simply not there, unless the family has already done their family trees and written down their family stories.


That’s the reality of it.  I want to try and find a link with anyone who has the interest, but have to stay real that it’s not likely for a lot of us.



Past Changes   ç  There is a LOT of information on this page; it’s been moved from this page to keep it from getting too big.  I recommend you do check this out.  It’s full of the odd bits and piece.


Why this Page?

Thanks for stopping by! I figure 99% of the people stopping by will be bored silly, because this really is a trivial page but.....

I'm on Facebook and LinkedIn so no longer have a general web page. This particular page is neat because I bought the domain name and that's cool, at least to me.  So this page is being set up to be a McGing magnet and maybe a few other things.  I do have an obligatory picture of me here (it's pretty recent but could take a bit to view on a slow connection).

You'd think that anyone with a name as rare as McGing would find that most of the McGing’s he runs into are related in some way.  But you'd be wrong.  It seems that all the ones who track me down are not related.   Go figure!  So what started out as a effort to document my family turned into an effort to document the McGings with a view to showing we are indeed actual cousins.

And that is the reason for doing DNA testing. I'd love for any not related to me McGing’s to take a DNA test and see what comes up. I'm betting that DNA will show us all to be related. Help prove me right!

So this is a McGing magnet page.  If you are a McGing, or used to be one or have a relation who was or is one, drop me a line or sign my guestbook below and we'll see if we can find out just where we all come from. If I get any responses, I can publish whatever people contribute and share various tidbits.

Who am I?

My name is John McGing and my immediate ancestry is as follows:

Mother was Sarah Collins, born in Shanvallycahill, in the Cappaghaduff district, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo. Her father was John Collins of Shanvallycahill, her mother was Bridgit Conoboy. She came from a large family, some of whom are still in Tourmakeady, while the rest went to England or to the US, mainly in Chicago, Il.

Father is John McGing, born in Churchfield, in the Cappaghaduff district, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo.  His father was Thomas McGing of Churchfield, his mother was Bridget Donoghue. He also came from a large family, all of whom live in the States, again mainly in Chicago, except for one sister who lives in Dublin and one in Tourmakeady.

(Here's a small map of Mayo) We're from around Tourmakeady, which you can see is on the shores of Loch Mask in South Mayo. Here is a much larger, older map of Mayo, circa 1890's  Surprisingly, the home place, in Churchfield, was in Galway, until it was given to Mayo in a border change in 1898 - 1899.

My father’s people were originally from a townland called Arderry, as Great Great Grandfather Patrick is found in the 1818 rent rolls of Lord Sligo as a renter there, along with a Bryan who I believe is likely a brother.

I love both sides of my family, but my dad’s side remembered more of their history than my mom’s.  It’s a common situation, where the family honestly doesn’t know much about their ancestors, and the stories either weren’t told or never shared.  That’s my issue on the Collin’s side. No real information about Great grandfather or further back.  So it’s not with any ill intent I don’t have more on my maternal side, it’s simply I cannot find much.  However, it does seem that we have a boatload of Joyces on both paternal and maternal sides.



DNA Overview

You should also check out my Are McGings All Related?  It Seems Likely! page.



DNA Tests taken

mtDNA Haplogroup (Maternal) T1a1


Also on MyHeritage, which is doing DNA matching as well.


I also have data at, and at Geni and at Wikitree which is cool because it looks across other people's data for likely matches but my tree data is rarely updated there, as I instead put it into Legacy Family Tree and then on Rootsweb, but it's a good place to do your genealogy. And they are getting smarter, doing a lot of the grunt work for you.

I have found that my research tapers out at 2rd great grandparents, beyond that is lore, assumption and conjecture. That means cousins 4th or higher have to have better data than I do some research done themselves. I share with anyone but if DNA testing says we are 4th or 5th cousins, unless you have some research of your own, it's very unlikely that I have anything either. Just saying up front.

My ancestors by generation:

Note that the folks in color above are my X Chromosome ancestors.  If we have a match on the X Chromosome it is only via the folks in color above. Sorry that it is also the group of ancestors I know the least about.



Surname/GEDCOM/Family Tree Data

The history of the surname is interesting. And if you are really interested in what I've found, I'm making available a redacted version of the genealogical data I've gathered. Write me if you'd like to discuss getting access to this information. Due to concerns about privacy, I ask you write so we can discuss what you're looking for.

Understand, the data is always being changed and there are always mistakes and misunderstandings. I've named people odd names because I know a first name only, or a last name only or I only know they had 11 kids, 6 boys and 5 girls, things like that. This data has been secured from searching the internet, especially genealogical sites, contacts with other McGings, the sharing of data by others who have done their own research (and to whom we are all indebted) and searches of things like the LDS files. Where possible it is sourced, but see my note at the bottom of this page. I believe that we are indeed likely all to be cousins.

In addition, I've found a LOT of information in places that you'd not expect, and in order to preserve it, I've put it into an Adobe Aacrobat file that you can find here. I've also listed some things I just didn't know where to put, so they are listed there. It's worth checking.

I’ve since created an offline datastore of pictures and pdf files of things like census, birth records, military records and more. It’s simply too large to put online, as the size would incur costs. But my point is I do have a lot of McGing documents identified and stored.

So check it out - Family Tree Version 2



Who Are These People?

When I was in Ireland, I found a whole nest of McGing’s in Westport, but it seems the connection with them was distant, if at all. It was kind of disconcerting to get a calendar from John McGing's place, which was a service station, as I recall. (Which is odd, come to think of it.  The name is exceedingly rare, yet 2 groups of families with the same rare surname grow up near each other yet aren't related?  What's up with that?)

Same applies in the States.  My dad was confused with another John McGing who was in the Army at the same time he was, and they ended up living not far from each other on Chicago's NorthWest side.  The other family even had a number of kids with the same names as my siblings.  Yet we also never met. There's a boatload of McGing’s in and around Chicago, but the majority of them are not related to my side of the family. [I do have to say that I have now actually corresponded with some of those "other" McGing’s and it's neat to finally do so!]

And the Cleveland Ohio McGing’s all seem to be related to the Westport McGing’s, but not to me.  The Cincinnati Ohio McGing’s are related (1st cousins). Check out my cousin's website. The ones in Florida seem to be Cleveland McGing’s who have gone south. Then there is the odd one or two living in NY, Virginia, places like that that no one can seem to place. My mother told me we have McGing related cousins in Montana, they use McGinn. Color me confused.  And I found McGinn cousins (via DNA) just outside Philadelphia.

And what's with this Scottish connection anyway?  There are McGing’s in Scotland, it seems we went there to work the fields, but why Stirling Scotland and why stay? What was so much better there that kept some McGing’s from returning to Ireland?

Gerry McGing from Trim sent some very interesting information that I have made available here. We may now have a lead on where in the North to look for more McGing roots! It looks like they emigrated from Armagh to Mayo. Or not, if what Paul MacCotter says is true. Obviously this needs more investigation. Does anyone have family stories about where their families came from?

I guess I see two areas where we could connect yet have difficulty. My Gr Gr Grandfather had to have siblings, yet I know nothing about him and his family. Could we be related through one of his brothers? Or could we be related through one of his sons? A couple of them had a LOT of boys, yet I've nothing on them. These seem to me to be the biggest area that would pay off in detecting this elusive family link.

One of the many bright spots in the family claim to fame is my 1st cousin is Mick Lally who was an Irish actor (played "Miley" on Glenroe on RTE, was a regular on "Ballykissangel," played in "Circle of Friends" as Minnie Drivers dad, and was in the great movie "The Secret of Roan Inish" as the grandfather)  His mom (RIP) is my dad's sister (May Lally, who was a great contributor to the Tourmakeady "Waterfall")  and before he died, he was a favorite at Maire Lukes. Check out this quick link to  Lally History and coat of arms. Another is the fact that my family has a history with Irish dance, in that my cousin Mary (already noted) and my cousin Jimmy (now a judge) taught/teach Irish dance. While Jimmy doesn't do it anymore, his ex-partner Mark Howard does.

My research has shown that the spelling of the name takes many forms; McGing, McGinn, McCinn, Ging, Ginn and other odd spellings. And the Gaelic is McGinn but the English is McGing, so the mixed use does make sense.

One other interesting fact is that if you put "McGing" into a search engine, you get a lot of hits. It used to be a toss-up between me and Dr. Brian McGing at Trinity as to whose name is found most often, but his references are starting to really mount up but the links for my cousin Mary, who owns an Irish dance school, have really started to overshadow us all!

Here is a link to my family tree material for your own research My GEDCOM and Version 2.

Besides my family, my other abiding interest is the rare genetic syndrome my son has. The section below explains a bit and links you to my pages about the syndrome. Perhaps one reason I've developed this abiding interest in where I have come from is knowing that my son will not have any children. My daughter will live her life and I don't mean to sound like I'm ignoring her; on the contrary, she's very precious to me. But I realize that my "line" is ending, at least as it goes forward carrying the McGing surname. But he's a great lad, and so I'd be neglectful if I didn't drop this in here.

Registry IconThe Chromosome 18 Registry and Research Society

This is a link to the Chromosome 18 Registry and Research Society. My son Sean has a genetic condition called tetrasomy 18p which is very rare. The Registry is a great support group and is an organization always looking for assistance. For anyone in the US who can contribute to the Combined Federal Campaign, look for them as a recipient group (#10291) or check them out and contact them directly.

In addition, if you are in the US and participate in the United Way, be aware that although the Registry isn't a direct participant in the UW, you can use the "Donor Direct" option to specify the Registry for your gift.

For anyone outside the US, please contact the Registry in San Antonio (using the links above).

Seriously, this isn't like Jerry's Kids or March of Dimes stuff, where there is a lot of publicity and people throw money at them. Nope, these conditions are rare and virtually unknown and there's been little research done on them. Please keep them in mind when considering any charitable contributions.


Here are some interesting basic Irish links I've linked to.

These links below are McGing specific places found on the internet. You should find a reference somewhere on each page to a McGing, whether it be an article, an email address or whatever. Can't guarantee these will stay active, but they worked when I tested them. I did not include links to pages referencing me or my cousin Mary's dance school since any search on "McGing" will turn a ton of links on us. Also, since the time I transcribed many of these by hand they have become available online from their source organizations.  Just saying.

Historical and Genealogical Links

United States




Neal McGing - Revolutionary War

The Morrin/McGing Connection

English Vital Records (Birth)

Scottish McGings

McGing in 1850 US Census (Lines 30-32)

McGing, Gavin, Lally, Sheridan, Donoghue

English Vital Records (Death)

Scotish Census

McGing/McGinn 1860 in New York using US Census

Griffiths Valuation of Mayo McGings and McGinns

English Vital Records (Marriage)

Scottish Vital Records

US Census Reports/Extracts

Pat Deese's Mayo Data

UK Census Extracts


Chicago Voter Rolls

McGings in Killawalla

Commonwealth War Graves


Ellis Island McGing Records Index

Westport Business Directory



Ellis Island McGinn Records Index

LDS Microfilm Transcriptions Film 0979697


McGings in Australia

Ellis Island McGing Details

May 1818 Marquis of Sligo Rent Rolls



McGing Social Security Death Index Reports

Aughagower Graves Data

History of the Surname



Irish Birth Registry Data

Surname Basics



Irish Vital Records Data

Odds and Ends



Additional Irish Records (Birth and Marriage)

Some McGing Photo's



1883 Census of Glenmask

Great Uncle Philip Found



McGing - O'Malley in Glenmask

McGings in Queen of Heaven Cemetery



McGing Records from Galway

Mayo Graveyard Photos



Tonlegee Land Records

Irish Naming Patterns



Bessborough Commission

Cousins - How Far Removed



Mayo Galway Border Shift of 1898

 McGings – Likely are Cousins



1901 Irish Census Transcripts




1911 Irish Census Records




Interesting Articles




 Place Names Related to Family History








Sincere Thanks

I'd be remiss if I did not give full credit and approbation to the many people whose work has been so important in doing this research. I've been lucky to be able to build on the shoulders of many fine people whose hard work they willingly shared. There is Sr. Helen, Carl "MacMan", Mary Chervenak, Elaine O'Malley, Michael McGing, Pam Burg, Tom Kenny, Jackie Filippone, Nicola Batmaz, Mary Duffy, Jean Baun, Patrick Connolly, Jim McGinn and others. If you find anything of value in these pages, their contributions were indeed a major part of it.


I'd be remiss if I didn't point out what may or may not be obvious. And that is this: I am not a professional genealogist, and a lot of the material I have here has not been sourced to original documents. I have tried whenever possible to give a source, including family history, whenever I could, but as I've been told, your work isn't done until you have checked the original sources. That doesn't mean that everything here is worthless; that's certainly not true! Everything here is as accurate as I can make it, but things I typed in myself from sources may indeed have typos. Sources I link to may have errors. But that doesn't make their value any less, it just means you really need to check things out where possible using original source documents As I get a look at original documents myself I'll update entries to reflect that fact.

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