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Mary Ellen Tunney was born on December 28, 1896 in Mayo, IrelandG. She and Michael Lally were married on January 2, 1917 in Islandeady, Mayo, IrelandG. She died on August 8, 1989, at age 92, in Meath, IrelandG.

Edward Joseph Bonnett was born on August 29, 1911 in Chicago, Cook, IllinoisG. He and Mary E. Grealis were married on April 8, 1936 in Chicago, Cook, IllinoisG. He died in 1996, at age ~85, in FloridaG.

Bridget McDermott was born on March 8, 1881 in Mayo, IrelandG. She and John Lynch were married. She died on November 3, 1959, at age 78, in New Jersey, United StatesG.

(Research):She was a Titanic survivor.

Thomas Patrick Lynch was born on March 12, 1925 in Jersey City, New JerseyG. He and Abigail L. Austin were married. He died on August 17, 2005, at age 80.

James McGing was born in 1730 in Bohaun, Mayo, IrelandG. He was married.

When Anthony McGing, Jim McGinn and I Y-DNA tested we confirmed that we each share a common ancestor. Since then John J McGing on Damions line also tested. I have tried to link the 4 different lines we are from here because the science says that we share a common gr (x) grandfather.

Based on Y-DNA 67 testing, we know that I (John J) and Jim share a common great grandfather (95% at 10 generations back) and that Tony also does but his great grandfather was further back (95% at 14 generations), meaning that Tony's ancestor is an older one, a forefather of the ancestor Jim and I share (meaning Tony's ancestor is the ancestor of the 3 of us, but also he had multiple sons and Jim and I come from one line of one of those sons, and Tony must come from a line from a different brother (otherwise we'd have a 1 or zero match). When we factor in John, we see a line that is shared by all 4 of us, but with a linkage that is further back yet than the link shared with Tony. So John's connection to the 3 of us is older yet than Tony, which is older than Jim and John J.

But with more data (that is why 67 testing is about the minimum, and 111 gets expensive but would supply even more accurate data) we can see that now the distance between me and Tony means our most common recent ancestor (assuming 100% accuracy) lived about 14 generations ago (or sooner). This is supported by the fact Y-111 testing with Jim and John J show a distance of 9, which turns into 14 generations or more for the common ancestor. What does that mean, 14 generations ago (and remember, 14 is for 100% accuracy, it is 50/50 that the common ancestor was 6-7 generations ago.

Is it this man that the 3 of us share? Not specifically. And the one that John represents is likely 60-80 years before this hypothetical James. This James - I made him up. But it's likely this man or maybe Miles is this shared gr X grandfather. So until we can have better data, this serves as a working hypothesis and a way to have some reasonable working theories supported by dna.

In other words, I am not going to try and name or flesh out the ancestor from the 1600s as I know nothing except he exists and we all share him. I don't really know if the hypothetical ancestor from 1730 was a Michael or James or whatever, but obviously this person existed and because the DNA says we are related, we know, no matter what their names, they existed in the role in this kind of relationship. So understand I'm just putting a name here as a placeholder.

So, at this time we can say that the McGing's tested seem likely have a common ancestor in 1600, but the odds are also good that our common ancestor could have actually lived sometime about 1650 - 1700. And we know there were McGings around Dublin then…..

So we can agree on a name for this yet unknown person but the point remains, we share this man as a common ancestor in our different lineages.

Tom Kenny hypothesizes that we started out in Bohaun and then Arderry, Tonlegee and Westport.

Per Aunt May, there was a Myles McGing from Ardara or Bohaun who came to Westpoet and who had a son names James. But there was also another James McGing in Westport. Obviously this James had to be the son of a different man, so my conjecture (just my own theory) is that Myles had a brother who also had a son named James. And based on the frequency of James in this scenario, I'm going to name this completely conjectural parent of Myles James McGing and his other son James McGing and his grandson (the 2nd James McGing that Aunt May said was around when Myles and his son existed) is also a James.

PURE SPECULATION based on the facts contained Aunt May's story. Would be great to find this other James and Y-DNA test a male from that line.... (Research):This man was invented after some DNA testing showed that I and another man (jim) share an ancestor from about this time and we know this man had an ancestor that we share dating from about 1600.

Tnere are no records, but I explain elsewhere that I gave this unknownm man a name to just have something to work with.

Based on Y-DNA 67 testing, we see that John and Jim share a common great grandfather (95% at 10 generations back (which is this man James)) and that Tony also does but his great grandfather was further back (95% at 14 generations), meaning that Tony's ancestor is the older one, a forefather of the ancestor Jim and I share (meaning Tony's ancestor is the ancestor of the 3 of us, but also he had multiple sons and Jim and I come from one line of one of those sons, and Tony must come from a line from a different brother (otherwise we'd have a 1 or zero match).

But with more data (that is why 67 testing is about the minimum, and 111 gets expensive but would supply even more accurate data) we can see that now the distance between me and Tony means our most common recent ancestor (assuming 100% accuracy) lived about 14 generations ago (or sooner)
What does that mean, 14 generations ago (and remember, 14 is for 100% accuracy, it is 50/50 that the common ancestor was 6-7 generations ago.

So bear in mind that given the records being shite pre-1830 or so, this is likely the best we can do.

John.

Nicholas Cristiano was born in Bologna, ItalyG. He and Matilda Gasparini were married. He died in Milburn, Essex, New JerseyG.

John McGing was born in 1788. He was married.

Per Aunt May:

A son of Myles bought a big house across the street and had a pub there. John McGing's is still there. Another son married the girl next door and he also had a pub. No pub there for a long time now. There's a Francis McGing there and she is old and blind and has no interest in family history, unmarried as well. The two houses are big three story houses. A lot of people go to John McGing's pub. It is so old and people are tired of the modern places.

This unnamed son of Myles bought a pub that was in the 1990's a pub owned by John McGing.
John bought a house across the street from Myles and had a pub. It is still there to this day and is called John McGings.

We do not know the name of this son (are there records we can look at?)

For simple purposes I am going to call him John and he is here as a placeholder.

I am giving him a son to see if dna in a line links into the projected relationships. Patrick McGing shown as a son is simply me seeing if the dna fits. But because it does fit, because a [projected dna cousin relationship with John NMI McGing works out perfectly if this group of McGings is pulled into teh Myles line.

I do not know who Patrick's father is, I do not know if John had children, I do not know if John is Patrick's dad but this Patrick belongs in the myles line per dna matches.

James McGing was born in 1790. He was married.

This is the proposed 2nd James McGing in Westport that Aunt May said was there that was NOT the son of Myles. She did not say if he was a cousin, just that he was there. I am teh one making the connection to a common grandfather here and that is just my speculation based on DNA findings that indictae many branches of teh McGings share the same ancestor. So this is speculation but not entirely fiction, just have nothing to prove it. (Research):Linking Patrick is a guess but there are dna dscendents of Patrick so the connection exists, just not sure who.

Bridget McGing was born in 1815 in Moyhastin, Mayo, IrelandG. She and Austin Gibbons were married on April 7, 1846 in Aughaval, Mayo, IrelandG, Church Baptism Record
Name:Austin GibbonsDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Apr-1846
Address:N. RParish/District:Oughaval RC parish
Gender:MaleCountyCo. Mayo
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Austin GibbonsMother:Bridget McGing
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John DawsonSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Dawson
Notes:
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Austin Gibbons and Bridget McGing were married on April 7, 1846 in Aughaval, Mayo, IrelandG, Church Baptism Record
Name:Austin GibbonsDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Apr-1846
Address:N. RParish/District:Oughaval RC parish
Gender:MaleCountyCo. Mayo
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Austin GibbonsMother:Bridget McGing
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John DawsonSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Dawson
Notes:
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Thomas Gibbons was born in 1848.

Can't find in records but Tom Kenny had a number of children listed on his materioals so I've included them here.

Ann Gibbons was born in 1850.

Can't find in records but Tom Kenny had a number of children listed on his materioals so I've included them here.

Sarah Gibbons was born in 1852.

Can't find in records but Tom Kenny had a number of children listed on his materioals so I've included them here.

Patrick Gibbons was born in 1854.

Can't find in records but Tom Kenny had a number of children listed on his materioals so I've included them here.

MIchael McGrath was born in 1889 in Cong, Galway, IrelandG. He and Margaret Lynch were married on September 14, 1918 in Clonbur, Galway, IrelandG. He died on October 22, 1966, at age ~77, in New York, United StatesG.

Ann McGing was born in 1834 in Mayo, IrelandG. She and James Joyce were married on May 21, 1855 in Westport, Mayo, IrelandG, Only source is Tom Kenny's misc notes. Included to be thorough.

James Joyce was born in 1831 in Mayo, IrelandG. He and Ann McGing were married on May 21, 1855 in Westport, Mayo, IrelandG, Only source is Tom Kenny's misc notes. Included to be thorough.

Elizabeth McGing was born in 1817 in Mayo, IrelandG. She and Henry Rooney were married on January 29, 1837 in Westport, Mayo, IrelandG, Only source is Tom Kenny's misc notes. Included to be thorough.

Oldest McGing
The question is how does this person fit with the theoretical lineage DNA is proposing? As one of the oldest, he/she could be a sibling to others we know of but are unaware of the sibling relationship. If a Male McGing/McGinn Ging of this line could Y-DNA test at least a 37 (but must stress 67 is better) we'd know more and could triangulate back to the shared ancester. Moving earlier in time here is all conjecture, but looking for evidence and DNA is a key piece.

Henry Rooney was born in 1816 in Mayo, IrelandG. He and Elizabeth McGing were married on January 29, 1837 in Westport, Mayo, IrelandG, Only source is Tom Kenny's misc notes. Included to be thorough.

Bridget McGing was born in 1825 in Mayo, IrelandG. She and Anthony Scahill were married on February 28, 1847 included in Tom Kenny's files and included here to be thorough. Listed a possible daughter to Old Patrick but can't prove it better.'.

Anthony Scahill was born in 1825 in Moyhastin, Mayo, IrelandG. He and Bridget McGing were married on February 28, 1847 included in Tom Kenny's files and included here to be thorough. Listed a possible daughter to Old Patrick but can't prove it better.'.

Bridget McGing was born in 1805 in Aglish, Mayo, IrelandG. She and Anthony O'Donnell were married on December 15, 1826 in Aglish, Mayo, IrelandG, Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage:15-Dec-1826
Parish / District:Aglish RC parishCounty:Co. Mayo
HusbandWife
Name:AnthonyO DonnellBridgetMcGinn
Address:
Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's FatherWife's Father
Name:O DonnellMcGinn
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's MotherWife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1Witness 2
Name:JamesO DonnellMariaWalsh
Address:
Notes:
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www.rootsireland.ie.

No idea where she fits in. (Research):Oldest McGing
The question is how does this person fit with the theoretical lineage DNA is proposing? As one of the oldest, he/she could be a sibling to others we know of but are unaware of the sibling relationship. If a Male McGing/McGinn Ging of this line could Y-DNA test at least a 37 (but must stress 67 is better) we'd know more and could triangulate back to the shared ancester. Moving earlier in time here is all conjecture, but looking for evidence and DNA is a key piece.

Anthony O'Donnell was born in 1804 in Aglish, Mayo, IrelandG. He and Bridget McGing were married on December 15, 1826 in Aglish, Mayo, IrelandG, Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage:15-Dec-1826
Parish / District:Aglish RC parishCounty:Co. Mayo
HusbandWife
Name:AnthonyO DonnellBridgetMcGinn
Address:
Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's FatherWife's Father
Name:O DonnellMcGinn
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's MotherWife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1Witness 2
Name:JamesO DonnellMariaWalsh
Address:
Notes:
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www.rootsireland.ie.

Mary McGing was born in 1846 in Kinuary, Mayo, IrelandG. She and Michael McDonnell were married on October 19, 1867 in Burriscarra, Mayo, IrelandG, Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage:19-Oct-1867
Parish / District:Burriscarra RC parishCounty:Co. Mayo
HusbandWife
Name:MichaelMcDonnellMaryMcGing
Address:Kenwry
Denomination:Roman CatholicRoman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's FatherWife's Father
Name:McDonnellMcGing
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's MotherWife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1Witness 2
Name:ThomasMcGingMaryMcDermott
Address:
Notes:
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First name(s)Mary
Last nameMcGing
AddressKenury
Marriage year1867
Marriage date19 Oct 1867
ParishBurriscarra
Alternative parish namesBallintubber, Borriscarra, Burriscarra and Ballintubber, Carnacon, Kilawalla
DioceseTuam
Spouse's first name(s)Michl
Spouse's last nameMcDonnell
Spouse's addressKenury
CountyMayo
CountryIreland
RepositoryNational Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland linkhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632011#page/1/mode/1up
RegisterMarriage
Record setIreland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
CategoryBirth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
SubcategoryMarriages & divorces
Collections fromIreland.

This is an educated guess.